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Q. What struck you about Genghis Khan?
A. He came along at the right time. His methods of
battle were right on the mark. If he came along today, he would
not be as successful. I think the thing that surprised me the
most and gave me an awful lot of respect for him was how strong
these people were. And the brilliance. He was a great field
general. He supposedly was a very sturdy person, quick of temper,
an organizational genius.
You can see it when you cover the territory, when you realize
how far the extent of the Mongol Empire was the greatest
land empire ever.
I think the thing that impressed me most was the fabric of this
man and the fabric of the people and what he instilled in his
friends and family. Absolutely amazing, especially knowing the
steppe, knowing their way of life, what they ate, how severe
the country was. Genghis went into lands that he had never
ventured to before. He had never seen a man-made object like
the Great Wall of China. They had never eaten bread; they had
never seen vegetables. They had little respect for farmers
or peasants. They couldnt stand people that made their
living on their knees.
Im a little bit taken with the physical attributes of
people, and he was one of the finest specimens there were.
Tough. Incredible fiber of a man.
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Q. How did you prepare for this assignment?
A. I did a fair amount of research with various Ph.D.s
and learned scholars before I ever left the building. My
research probably took me a solid three months. I wrote a
shooting script for myself along with a picture editor, so
I had a pretty good idea of what to expect. I had probably
read ten to twelve of the best books that I could on Genghis
Khan plus The Secret History of the Mongols. Its
quite exciting reading; when I started the research I
couldnt set it down.
So by the time you get to an area you have a pretty good idea
of what youre looking for. And then its just a
matter of finding the very finest action, expression, mood
to bring this historic subject to life.
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Q. What do you pack to go on assignment?
A. Everything you own, and then you dont feel
for the rest of the trip that you forgot something.
Theres quite a bit of equipment. On a massive story
like this, youre not only covering things in the field
and things in the rough, but youre trying to cover as
much as you can in museums. Inside gers [felt tents],
youre going to need lights. So my equipment probably
totals maybe 600 pounds [272 kilograms] and 12 to 14 cases.
I will leave most of it in the capital or in a hotel. Then
Ill venture out for a week or two weeks into the field
and take the bare minimum, which would probably be four or
five cases and some food and camping gear. You dont
want to be bogged down with equipment, but you do want to be
able to do the best you possibly can in every situation
that you face.
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Q. What made the assignment difficult?
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A. The most difficult part of working in Mongolia
was getting around. Once you leave the capital, roads become
fairly scarce, and you are on cow trails and horse trails
and a lot of rivers. During the flood period, we were
probably getting stuck ten to twelve times during the day.
And flat tires.
It was a two-, two-and-a-half-day trip to Gurvan Nuur,
where many believe Genghis Khan was born, and it took us
five days to get there. Once we got there, we were stranded
because the Onon River had flooded. The ferryboat captain,
in trying to untangle some cables during the height of the
flood, was whipped overboard, and he drowned. And so we
couldnt get back over the river. So I think the lead
picture took me two, two and a half days, and we ended up
staying there about nine days because we couldnt leave.
So, in this case, certainly getting to the subject matter
was difficult. Once I arrived on the scene, it was fairly
easy.
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Q. Can you describe a typical day?
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A. If you were to look at my calendar, every day is
usually jam-packed. You just wonder how youre able to
get from point A to point B and yet get as much work done as
you possibly can. I dont like downtime. My day would
usually start at least an hour or an hour and a half before
the sun rises or even before first light so that I can get
to where I want to be for one of the two most important
pictures that Im going to make during the day.
That romantic and magic moment is usually fifteen minutes
before sunrise and maybe ten minutes after sunrise.
And the same at sunset. Maybe half an hour to fifteen minutes
before sunset and maybe ten or fifteen minutes after. During
the day, the light in many of these locations tends to be like
a carbon arc. Unless youre inside a ger [felt tent] or
inside tents under cover somewhere, the light is very unromantic,
and it doesnt really have the mood that I need to bring
the reader into a historic situation.
So my normal day would normally start around four in the
morning, and I would work through until about eight or nine.
In fact, we were working sunset, between nine and ten
oclock at night. Its a long day.
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Q. Did you have anyone helping you?
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A.
I had a team of three people: an interpreter, a driver, and
a cook. We had a small Russian jeep. And all of our gear
was packed into that vehicle. We had some character problems,
because our minds work much differently. There was a bit of
a drinking problem on that trip, and there was a stealing
problem. But, for the most part, they got me to where I
had to get to.
The driver, he was the greatest. He could do anything. He
had a certain backbone, and he was a true Mongol. He could
fix anything; he could get us out of mud in a way that you
would never suggest yourself. He could always find a
boulder or a log in order to slip under the wheels. And
he could cook, and he was great with people. He would
diplomatically open closed doors; had it not been for him,
we would have a very short story.
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Q. How did people respond to you?
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A. Theyre certainly not used to seeing foreigners in that area.
But I think you have to build a bond with these people.
Theres a certain trust. Even though you dont speak
the language, theres an awful lot that you can convey with
your eyes, with the way you conduct yourself as a professional.
I think its a matter of weaving yourself into that
familys flow of life and the way they work. And they
can tell within a period of minutes what your personality is
made up of. How professional you are, how you carry yourself.
It didnt take long with them, the Mongols, because, for
the most part, theyre a very friendly people. They
dont see that many people, especially out in the Gobi.
The people are very interested in my life, so you have to share
some tidbits of your existence and where youre from and
also give them an idea of why youre so interested in their
life. And its not difficult for me to show my interest,
because their life is so much different than ours. We take so
much for granted here in the U.S..
And so it didnt take very long for me to get involved in
their way of thinking, their way of working. I try very hard
not to get in their way, not to break their train of thought
or their stride. Just to record their way of life.
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Q. Do you have a favorite photograph?
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A. I think the most memorable photograph is probably the Muhi memorial
[in Hungary] with all of the oversized crosses and the statue of a
man chained to a cross. I believe its the spring of 1241 when
the Mongols just about turned the whole country into a pastureland.
They just annihilated the eastern part of Hungary, killing 60,000 people.
I remember driving from Budapest and just stopping in Muhi. I
hadnt heard anything about it. And when I reached the crest of
the hill and I saw this monument in the distance, I just couldnt
believe it. The photograph would have been a fairly normal sunset or
moonrise type photographmoody as I could make it in blues and
blacks and so onbut a storm approached at the time of the sunset.
Its kind of a funny story. I had to rent a ladder, or borrow
a ladder, from a nearby farmer to get up close and as high as that
man was chained to that cross. And I needed to light the subject
because there just wasnt enough light on that wood carving,
so I had the taxi driver and my assistant (who was an interpreter
from the government) holding these 25-foot [7-meter] aluminum light
stands with strobe lights on the ends of them. The storm, approaching
from the right, was tearing trees; it was pulling trees right out of
the ground. It was maybe 200 feet [61 meters] away from me, and I
wanted to wait for lightning.
I remember the interpreter clearing his throat saying, Mister
Jim, dont you think we have enough? And I wanted lightning
in the photograph so badly. Finally the heavens opened, and we got
so wet that the lights would no longer work and my cameras were
getting drenched and we had to leave. But thats probably
the most memorable picture in the entire coverage.
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Q. What does it take to be a Geographic photographer?
A. It takes a special kind of a person. If you look at the Geographic
photographers, they have something thats quite rare. They
have a very inquisitive mind, they have a very quick eye, theyre
very sensitive, they have a great deal of taste. I think they know
the direction that theyre moving in and want to move in.
Theyre very decisive. For the most part, theyre a
driven artist.
Youre not going to deter them. That photographer is not
going to take no for an answer, especially on a subject like this
where the logistics were so excruciatingly painful. I just cannot
be defeated.
Ive had subjects turn to my interpreter and say, Your
friend looks at me like hes going to eat me, because
Im studying their facial expressions and their gestures and
Im trying to bring all of that together in one photograph.
We want a photograph to stand by itself where it wouldnt
even need a caption and you know exactly where that fellow lives,
what kind of personality he or she has. Then Ive completed
my job successfully.
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