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Post-expedition Interview
  Conducted by Michael Heasley

Note: You’ll need RealAudio to listen to the sound clips.


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MH: Why don’t you start by telling us who you are and what you do?

Thompson: I’m Charles Thompson, and I’m one of several audio engineers at National Public Radio.

MH: How did you prepare for the Y2Y story?

Thompson: Most of the preparation by any engineer that goes on a remote involves equipment selection—what’s appropriate, how it fits your body, how well it’s working—and packing.

MH: Could you give an example of something that drove your equipment choices on this particular expedition?

Thompson: Horses. In this segment of the expedition horses were going to be used for four days, and the primary things that drove my selection were weight and accessibility. If you’re high on a pass in a narrow area, you can’t just jump off your horse and grab something you forgot; it really needs to be on your person.

I had a battery-operated DAT [digital audiotape] recorder and a microphone, and they were linked together. I have a sling I’ve devised that works with a large fishing vest. The sling attaches all that equipment to my body and allows it to go underneath rain gear.

MH: What surprised you on Y2Y?

Thompson: Everything surprised me. On day one the thing that surprised me the most was the warm weather. It was, for that part of Canada, incredibly warm. Then we were moving up to about 2,000 feet [600 meters], and the next thing you know I thought I was in the rain forest—no rain, just mist. Then came cold rain. It quickly changed to hail, and then snow—all in less than 30 minutes.

MH: How would you describe your role on the team?

Thompson: My primary job is to gather sound, to do technically correct recordings. My secondary responsibility is to introduce the concept of perspective. We’re always thinking about our listening audience: What would they be hearing if they were on the expedition? Where are they standing in the group, and what are they observing? And so I not only collect the focus, but I also collect the surrounding sounds from multiple perspectives, so we have options about how we “place” our audience in the expedition.

MH: How do you decide what to record?

Thompson: It’s a process of paying attention to the environment that you’re in. First you’re listening without headphones, but then you have to listen through the microphones, because they hear quite differently. Our brains tend to be able to ignore background noise. We may have a stream that’s quite loud over here, but we can focus on that bird over there. Our microphones can’t do that.

I might record a little bit of that stream, then some horse clip-clops, then a bit of that bird over there. When we get into the studio, that allows me to slowly transition my listener from a stream that we might have just crossed to horses to a bird in a quiet meadow where we’re going to do our first interview.

MH: If you’re listening for the sound of, say, a trout flapping in a stream, do you risk missing the overall sound of the place?

Thompson: You don’t do this oblivious of your environment at all. In fact, you’re very conscious of everything that’s around you. Finding focus points are part of a production process that you’ve been trained to do over a number of years. I do hear the overall—in fact, I’m often quite taken by it.

In one instance, in Banff, we were crossing the Dormer Pass, which is about 8,000 feet [2,400 meters] up. We were on the side of a glacial mountain rift made of a stone-slate type of material. It was a very steep mountainside and a very narrow trail that was only slightly flattened, and tipping towards a sheer drop. Well, the result was that I wasn’t running tape; I was really worried about whether my horse was going to fall over the side. I had to quickly refocus myself and get that tape.

In fact, I didn’t get enough of it, so the next time we hit a bed of the same type of slate, I got off of my horse and taped the other horses passing. Then I rode my horse across and taped the scene from the other direction. So I made sure that whatever I missed on the Dormer Pass was covered when we went back to the studio.

MH: What are some of the sounds you’re most proud of capturing?

Thompson: That’s easy. A lot of people have heard the attack of the Africanized bees that I recorded for our Radio Expedition on the U.S. honeybee population. But I have to tell you that—as interesting as the bees were—the one thing that has stayed with me the longest is the surface blows and attention-getting sounds of humpback whales. Every time I hear it I can actually smell each of the three whales that were involved there. It was a hugely rewarding recording.

MH: I understand you got a wonderful letter about that piece.

Thompson: Yes, a blind lady wrote that she had never seen a whale and had never had any sense of its proportions. But the breathing was so massive and so huge to her in this recording that, for the first time, she had a sense of the size of a whale.

MH: What was it like to work with humpback whales?

Thompson: The thing that struck me more than anything else, and continues to strike me, is that I live on a planet largely alien to me. This planet is hugely water. And the creatures in the water live, communicate, and operate in an entirely different world than what I operate in. I’m a minority.

I was so enthralled by the encounter that we had with this male, female, and calf. The male came up alongside the boat and put his dorsal fin up in the air, and it was so far above my head. This huge eyeball looked me right in the eye and talked to me. It wasn’t any further away from me than you are right now, which is a foot, 2 feet [0.3 meter]! The thing that struck me about that more than anything else was that there was a communication taking place. To this day I regret not reaching out and touching that whale.

MH: Any discoveries in Banff, large or small?

Thompson: That’s another piece of the world that’s really alien. The rules that you live by out there are very different. A lot of the cautions that we practiced dealt with grizzlies—the suddenness with which they can appear. And the greatest revelation of all is that they can outrun a thoroughbred horse!

MH: You seem to really enjoy doing this. What keeps you interested?

Thompson: Intellectual and technical challenges. I enjoy meeting brilliant people who are doing brilliant things. And I enjoy working with the people here at National Public Radio, because I think they’re doing the same thing. It’s like the guy who was a music engineer, and somebody said, “What do you do for a living?” And he says, “I listen to music.”

At the National Public Radio Web site, listen to humpback whales and africanized bees.


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