Get a room of food scientists, dieticians, and politicians together to discuss 571-page eating rules for a few hours, and you can be sure there will be a lot of opinions.

Today’s Dietary Guidelines for Americans Summit was held at National Geographic’s Washington, D.C. headquarters in conjunction with The Ohio State University. It was an opportunity to debate the proposed guidelines the government will use to form policy and educate the public for the next five years. The guidelines will influence everything about food, from school lunch to prison meals to food stamp benefits to the pamphlets your doctor gives you about how to lose 15 pounds.

2015’s debate is a doozy, particularly over proposed recommendations to limit