National Geographic: How long have you worked as a photographer? When did you begin shooting for National Geographic?
Moises Saman: I started working as a photographer almost 20 years ago. I photographed my first story for National Geographic in 2016.
NG: What were you hoping to capture in your coverage of the caravan? How would you describe the images you were able to capture?
MS: I was interested in capturing photographs that humanize a story that has become a political issue. My attempt was to capture photographs that described the desperation, resilience, hope, and day-to-day dynamics taking place along the caravan and in the lives of the migrants taking part in it.

NG: How do the images you photographed of the caravan juxtapose with the images you photographed in El Salvador prior to the caravan? Did you find a greater sense of urgency in your coverage of the caravan? A greater sense of hope?
MS: I think they are inseparable aspects of the same story. In El Salvador I witnessed some of the precursors that led to the creation of these caravans, such as an endless cycle of violence, endemic poverty, and an overall sense of hopelessness.
NG: Many of your El Salvador images point to violence as part of the culture of the place. How did you wrestle with the violence happening around you? One of your images, of a dead man on a bus, was particularly gripping. How did you respond to photographing a violent death up close? How were you able to build in a search for humanity in spite of the violence?
MS: I suppose that after 20 years working in conflict and post-conflict areas I have developed ways to compartmentalize my emotions by staying focused on what my role is as a photographer and journalist. Violence is a daily occurrence in El Salvador and it has found a way to reach most of Salvadoran society. Unfortunately, scenes such as the one in the bus have become quite normal, to the point that they don't illicit much of a reaction from the local population. I find this normalization a much more relevant question, one that I have struggled with while working in many different places around the world where extreme violence becomes routine.
NG: Were you able to find hope and happiness in spite of despair? How did you identify happiness/special moments/reasons to be hopeful in spite of everything else happening in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras?

MS: I did encounter a certain joyfulness and feeling of empowerment from the migrants in the midst of a very difficult journey, in the sense that some of the migrants spoke about joining the caravan as an act of rebellion against their status quo, allowing them to take charge of their own lives regardless of the uncertainty of the outcome. I also witnessed moments of tension, despair, humor, camaraderie, and a general sense of purpose that comes from leaving everything you know behind for the pursuit of a better future.
NG: What was your guiding principle for this assignment? What did you set out to achieve? Did you accomplish what you had hoped to accomplish?
MS: Before joining the caravan I had spent about a month in El Salvador trying to understand the history and contemporary social dynamics fueling decades of continuous migration to the United States. The caravan was the culmination of some of the challenges that affect this country, and as such I felt the need to document it in order to tell the larger story of El Salvador.













Moises Saman is a documentary photographer and a member of Magnum Photos. His work has focused on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and more recently the turmoil of the Arab Spring and its aftermath.
In 2011, Moises relocated to Cairo, Egypt, where he was based for three years while covering the Arab Spring. His book Discordia documents the tumultuous transitions that have taken place in the region. In 2015, Moises received a Guggenheim Fellowship to continue his work in the region.
